@justin_shocknet love the discourse - we should chat live sometime. Hmu on nostr anytime or i reached out to you in a slack group i think we're both in https://primal.net/p/nprofile1qqsy2d24rfqzwxc9n2ujku084dlgwqqxrgkervxjpucna7p0q5htppgeluehw

Hey Justin - I've been working in the agent space for a bit. I actually just published this if you're curious: https://www.pullthatupjamie.ai/for-agents.

I share your skepticism that L402 is "the thing". I adopted it out of desire to help bitcoin and to help us win the "arms race" of best rails for agents. A few shortcomings I've noticed as well. A lot of L402 assumes statelessness and "onesy twosy" atomic actions. That precipitates two problems:

1. The overhead of each request triples. I have to:
   a. Hit the endpoint knowing im getting a 402
   b. Pay out of band
   c. Hit the endpoint with my macaroon
2. It assumes that endpoints are unrelated. In my case, I have about 4 or 5 endpoints that are related (search different levels of podcast corpus hierarchy, ask a question in natural language etc). That's clearly not the case and it would be silly for me to NOT keep some persistence for user convenience as their agent digs around in our 125k+ hour podcast library.

I think you can get around that with caveats. I personally got around it with an optional credit system where they can prepay for X sats worth of usage and reuse the macaroon. Some people bitched about that because they felt like I was ripping them off by recommending the "batched" credit approach.

You are right about the identity point. But the problem/pain for users is not really identity, it's the inefficiencies we incur by not having optional persistence (identity is one solution).

Happy Killdozer Day

Sounds like we need to start demanding compatibility for them. Receiver privacy is really important.

I used Phoenix and it got stumped. That team usually crushes it and supports BOLT12 so hopefully they'll address the deficiency.

any advice on wallet compatibility? I am seeing a lot of wallets struggle with blinded paths.

Do you have a list of wallets you've confirmed are compliant?

Update: https://x.com/leamuirleyn/status/2054666650050510997

Thinking we're gonna mag dump a bunch of big podcasts. Probably a good amount of german and spanish based on feedback - do you have any requests outside that?

Yes. See below. You can try it here on our web app as well.

Below is the current list. This means there's at least 1 not everything is fully indexed. Most have at least a few dozen to a hundred.

It's about to 10x due to popular demand so if you have a request I'm all ears.

• The "What is Money?" Show

• "WhatifAlthist" | World History, Philosophy, Culture

• The Acceleration

• Acquired

• Aerospace & Defense Technology

• AI Unchained

• Alamo Labs

• All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg

• Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

• The Auron MacIntyre Show

• Bankless

• Ben Wehrman Podcast

• Big Blue View: for New York Giants fans

• Bitcoin And | Bitcoin & Economic News

• Bitcoin Audible

• Bitcoin Boomer Show with Gary Leland

• The Bitcoin Boomers

• The Bitcoin Business Podcast

• Bitcoin Fixes This

• Bitcoin for Financial Services Podcast

• The Bitcoin Matrix

• Bitcoin News Alerts | Daily BTC Macro Signal

• Bitcoin Optech Podcast

• Bitcoin Park

• The Bitcoin Playbook

• THE Bitcoin Podcast

• Bitcoin Policy Institute

• Bitcoin Rails | Isabel Foxen Duke

• Bitcoin Rails | Isabel Foxen Duke

• Bitcoin Sikho

• The Bitcoin Standard Podcast

• Bitcoin Veterans

• The Bitcoin Way Podcast

• Bitcoiners - Live From Bitcoin Beach

• Bloomberg Intelligence

• Bloomberg Surveillance

• Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

• The BRICS Report

• The Broadcasting Seeds Podcast

• The Bugle Weekly

• Build With Bitcoin

• Call Her Daddy

• Casefile True Crime

• The Charlie Kirk Show

• Citadel Dispatch

• Coin Stories with Natalie Brunell

• Common Sense with Dan Carlin

• Conversations with Tyler

• Convos On The Pedicab

• Corporate Gossip

• Crime Junkie

• Curry and The Keeper

• Cypherpunk'd

• The Daily

• The Daily Stack

• Dan Carlin's Hardcore History

• Dan Carlin's Hardcore History: Addendum

• Danny Jones Podcast

• Darknet Diaries

• Decouple

• The DemystifySci Podcast

• The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett

• The Dissenter

• Dwarkesh Podcast

• Early Days

• Eckankar Soul Adventure Podcast

• EconTalk

• The Ezra Klein Show

• Fall of Civilizations Podcast

• Farzad Podcast

• Fight Back with Jake Shields

• Financial Audit

• Fire Pod With Me: A Twin Peaks Podcast

• Fireside Giants - A New York Giants Podcast

• Flirting With Bitcoin

• FoundMyFitness

• Freakonomics Radio

• Free Cities Podcast

• Freedom Tech Weekend

• Giants Nation Show (Giants Podcast)

• Green Candle Investments Podcast with Brandon Keys

• The Green Room at Timcast

• Hard Fork

• Hard Money Dispatch

• HashrateUp - A Bitcoin Mining Podcast

• the healthy bit

• Hidden Brain

• History 102 with WhatifAltHist's Rudyard Lynch and Austin Padgett

• The History of Rome

• The Honest Money Show

• How I Built This with Guy Raz

• Huberman Lab

• Human ReAction

• In Our Time: History

• The Jake Woodhouse Podcast

• The Jimmy Dore Show

• The Joe Rogan Experience

• John Kiriakou's Dead Drop

• The Juan Galt Show

• KILL TONY

• Latent Space: The AI Engineer Podcast

• Latent.Space

• Lex Fridman Podcast

• Liberty Lockdown

• Life with Bitcoin

• LINUX Unplugged

• Lucid Drinking Podcast

• Lunaticoin

• Machine Learning Street Talk

• Magic Internet Math

• Magic Internet Money

• Man 2 Man | مان 2 مان

• The Martyr Made Podcast

• Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast

• The Meat Mafia Podcast

• The Mel Robbins Podcast

• Modern Wisdom

• My Arab Identity - بودكاست الهوية

• Münzweg - der Bitcoin-Podcast

• News and Guidance Show

• News and Guidance Show

• No Agenda Show

• Nostr Compass Podcast

• NPR News Now

• NPR News Now

• Once Bitten! A Bitcoin Podcast.

• The Open Door

• Opt Out

• Part Of The Problem

• Pathfinder Radio

• PBD Podcast

• Peak Earth

• The Peter Attia Drive

• The Peter McCormack Show

• The Peter Schiff Show Podcast

• Philosophize This!

• Pivot

• Planet Money

• Play Like A Jet: New York Jets

• Playable Characters Show with Brandon Gentile

• Pleb UnderGround

• Plebchain Radio

• Pod Save America

• POD256 | Bitcoin Mining, Freedom Tech, and Awesome Tangents

• Podcasts | The Survival Podcast

• Presidio Bitcoin Jam

• Printed and Pressed

• Prof G Markets

• The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway

• The Profound Sound Show

• Rabbit Hole Recap

• Radiolab

• The Reorg

• The Rest Is History

• The Rest Is Politics

• Revolution.Social

• Revolutions

• REWORK

• Rob Wallace | Bitcoin News

• The Robin Seyr Podcast
• Roblox Tech Talks

• Rock Paper Bitcoin

• Ron Paul Liberty Report

• Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas

• Shawn Ryan Show

• Simply Bitcoin

• The Sleep Is A Skill Podcast

• Small Business, Big Bitcoin

• SmartLess

• Stacker News Live

• Stacker Sports Pod

• Startup Stories - Mixergy

• State of the World from NPR

• Stephan Livera Podcast

• Stuff You Should Know

• Survive the Tariffs - - HK&K's Leadership Lab

• Tariff Talk with Michael Hicks

• Te Invito un Café (original)

• TechCrunch Startup News

• TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast

• Thank God for Nostr

• Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

• Think Bitcoin Podcast

• This Week in Bitcoin

• Thriller "A Bitcoin Zine"

• Throughline

• The Tim Ferriss Show

• Timcast IRL

• Today, Explained

• The Tom Woods Show

• The Trialogues

• Trinity Free Lutheran Church

• Trust Revolution

• The Tucker Carlson Show

• UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast

• Ungovernable Misfits

• Unlimited Hangout with Whitney Webb

• Up First from NPR

• Vegas Nation - Raiders Football

• Very Fine Friends

• Victor Davis Hanson: In His Own Words

• WAR MODE

• Watchman Privacy

• What Bitcoin Did

• What Bitcoin Did

• The Why Bitcoin Show

• You're The Voice | by Efrat Fenigson

• The Young Turks

• Your Bitcoin Story
• أخبارَك إيه

Ya I'm not smart like you referencing a 90s sitcom to get my legal theories. Keep up the great work like I said - more vitriolic losers are badly needed. We don't have enough. Consider AI scaling or an apprenticeship program.

She retweeted it: https://x.com/leamuirleyn

I've seen you post a scene from a movie to "prove" your sovereign individual legal theory. You are one of the loudest biggest retards in the space and honestly you deserve a medal for it.

If you believe so strongly in it then go try it in practice. I will edit it into a Three Stooges style compilation and send you the sats. Bestseller comedy potential.

I would love to see you debate legal theory with a real lawyer. Your practical understanding of law is cartoonish. I would love to see you try your fake and gay legal theory with your life on the line.

Keonne would have gotten 25 years if he did what you said btw.

Thank you for your service DarthCoin. The world needs more angry vitriolic losers typing things online 🫡and less privacy devs. Keep up the great work. Honestly, think about using AI to scale up your operations.

Let me know when you plan to develop privacy tools or do time for it, Keyboard Warrior. Til then keep yapping like a bitch.

It's straight from his Twitter account he's had since '07. What type of verification are you looking for?