We'll see what happens. Big if true, but I don't trust the current FBI to prosecute effectively, and I would not be surprised if this FBI makes big announcements on thin evidence, and that this ultimately becomes a nothingburger.
Yeah... I feel the same way. But this does not sounds crazy to me at all. I have followed the SPLC for many years and they are truly nuts and terrible in what they try to do to people.
We'll see what happens. Big if true, but I don't trust the current FBI to prosecute effectively, and I would not be surprised if this FBI makes big announcements on thin evidence, and that this ultimately becomes a nothingburger.
Yeah... I feel the same way. But this does not sounds crazy to me at all. I have followed the SPLC for many years and they are truly nuts and terrible in what they try to do to people.
There’s a lot being asserted here, so I’ve been trying to separate what’s alleged from what’s established.
Here’s the actual indictment:
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What DOJ is alleging is narrower than “SPLC funded and organized Charlottesville.”
It’s about:
• paid informants inside extremist groups
• donor disclosure (fraud theory)
• financial structure used to conceal payments
That’s different from saying they created or ran these movements.
At the same time, the method itself isn’t new:
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Placing sources inside groups like the Klan to gather intelligence goes back decades.
And zooming out:
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DOJ itself was created during Reconstruction to enforce civil rights against white supremacist violence.
So the tension I’m trying to understand is:
where exactly is the line between:
• infiltration
• intelligence gathering
• and materially supporting the thing you’re trying to expose?
Because that seems to be the actual legal boundary being tested here.
A few questions I keep coming back to:
• What specific statement to donors is alleged to be false?
• Were donors explicitly told funds would not be used to pay informants?
• Is paying informants inside extremist groups illegal on its own, or only if combined with concealment or misrepresentation?
• Where is the legal line between infiltration and material support?
• What actions by informants (if any) cross from observing into enabling?
• Does being in a leadership chat or group imply directing outcomes, or just access?
• What evidence shows SPLC initiated or organized any event, versus monitoring it?
• If funds were routed through intermediaries, what exactly was concealed, and why does that meet the legal standard for fraud?
• Is the core case about the method (informants) or the structure (how it was funded and disclosed)?
• Which parts of the indictment are factual allegations, and which are inferences about intent?
• What would a lawful version of this same activity look like?
• If this theory holds, how would it apply to other investigations that rely on paid sources?
That’s the part I’m trying to pin down.