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Does the Bible justify war?

Is Gods word as represented in the Bible sometimes misused?

Todays most downzapped 'Greater Israel Project' post.

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What Netanyahu and the Israeli right mean when they invoke ‘Greater Israel’

'The concept is about much more than acquiring territory, it is also about Netanyahu’s desire for Israel to become a regional superpower.

In the past two-and-a-half years, Israel has flattened and reconquered Gaza, killing tens of thousands of people and laying waste its civilian infrastructure, squeezing its population, according to one estimate from last year, into just 12% of an already tiny strip of land. In the West Bank, Israel continues a campaign of destruction and displacement towards Palestinian people and property that is unparalleled since the six-day war in 1967, expanding its matrix of control and settlement.

After the fall of President Bashar al-Assad in 2024, Israel seized territory in Syria (beyond the illegally annexed Golan Heights) and is in the process of reconstituting a zone of occupation in southern Lebanon. Government ministers from the Religious Zionism and Jewish Power factions, and Likud parliamentarians, openly agitate for Israeli sovereignty and settlement in that country. The finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, has called for Israel to “expand to Damascus”, and Netanyahu himself claimed to feel “very much connected” to this territorial vision of Greater Israel...

In the days preceding the Iran war, two influential former Israeli security figures writing for the Jerusalem Institute for Strategy and Security observed that, from the point of view of key regional Sunni states, overthrowing the Iranian regime or weakening it significantly would establish Israel’s status as the “dominant regional power”.'

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/apr/13/benjamin-netanyahu-middle-east-greater-israel

I'm a reformed Christian and I hold to Covenant Theology so I don't think that the State of Israel is the Israel of God. The Church is.

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So does the Bible justify war?

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Yes!

God is often described as the LORD of hosts (sometimes translated as LORD of armies) in the Bible.

Sometimes war is necessary (as a last resort) . There are commandments about protecting our family, property, the oppressed, strangers, etc. If we do not protect the vulnerable, we are sinning.

Now, defending and protecting is different from committing deliberate violence. Violence is explicitly condemned in the Bible.

UPDATE:

I forgot the most important war we should make everyday of our lives: The war against our sinful nature:

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Ok so you give equal weight to the old testament and the Israelite prophet Isaiah.
Anything Jesus said or did later does not reverse the words of The Old Testament?

So you would also support the Greater Israel Project which aims to restore Jewish control over all the lands from the Nile to the Euphrates river as they were granted by God, as recorded in the Old Testament?

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So you would also support the Greater Israel Project which aims to restore Jewish control over...

With all due respect, you are not very knowledgeable of the things you are trying to discuss. If you were, you wouldn't have asked me that because I told you a few messages above that I'm a reformed Christian and I hold to Covenant Theology. By telling you this, you should know that I don't support that... I don't even know what you are talking about, to be honest.

Ok so you give equal weight to the old testament and the Israelite prophet Isaiah.
Anything Jesus said or did later does not reverse the words of The Old Testament?

And this question shows you don't know much about Biblical Christianity either.

I'm sorry but, if you want to debate on a theme (which is clearly what you are trying to do), you should learn a little bit more of your opponent's beliefs.

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I am asking because I do not know a lot about your beliefs and thought you would be happy to share your knowledge. It seems I may be mistaken.

You say you don't support The Greater Israel Project but also admit you don't know what it is. Many Christians do support it as it is seen as fulfilling Biblical prophesy. Having read the entire bible I thought you might know this.

Let me explain for you- The Greater Israel Project is the contemporary ambition for Jews to regain the territory promised to them by God in the Old Testament.

Can you explain what you mean by Covenant Theology as it is not something I am familiar with.

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I apologize for being rude.

Let me explain for you

The comment I posted a few days ago should answer your question: "I don't think that the State of Israel is the Israel of God. The Church is."

Can you explain what you mean by Covenant Theology as it is not something I am familiar with.

This is a good starting point:

If you watch this, you will have a better understanding of what I mean by Israel of God and reformed theology in general

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Have watched the video but still none the wiser as to whether you believe that Gods covenant giving the Jewish people all the land between the Nile and the Euphrates is something you acknowledge and support...or not.

You say you don't know what it is but it is spelled out in the Bible.

'According to the Book of Genesis, the land was first promised by God to Abram's descendants; the text is explicit that this is a covenant between God and Abram for his descendants. [8] Abram's name was later changed to Abraham, with the promise refined to pass through his son Isaac and to the Israelites.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel

So do you believe that Old Testament covenant from God with the Israelites is still valid, or not?

No, it commands Christians to accept their deaths like lambs to slaughter if the government demands it.

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That may be your interpretation but am interested to know @felipes interpretation, since he has read and studied the bible from cover to cover.

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