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yeah, Scoresby won again... (#1485174) I suck at this early-bird-gets-the-worm game...


Our beloved Mr. Szabo always had a way with words... what a waste having him argue (quite aggressively) on Twitter over BIPs and op_return nonsense.

In this short (by his standards) piece, he paints an imaginary picture of past tribal interactions that would have been fairly routine to every human-prehistorical society out there -- whether in his Pacific Northwest Indian tribes example or the Highlands of Papua New Guinea or Kalahari desert. Human interaction, human cooperation and conflict-minimization.

There will be friction between tribes over trespassing, over take/use of another's property, over another tribe's ancestral rights or fishing grounds. And in extension, friendship or marriage or alliance, or the necessity of ending conflicts in _any_ of these domains.

We do this today via money #793537... (and to a shockingly large extent, government-run courts or threats thereof) but it's not the invention of money that makes it so, it's the desire for humans to find solutions and mutually acceptable agreements. The collectibles and shells, so dear to Szabo since the essay that endeared him to us ("Shelling Out"), "emerged naturally from the difficulty of matching desires to what one has available to transfer."

"It is not markets that made money possible. It is collectibles, which we now call money, that make markets possible. For a good store of value the liquidity of markets is nice to have; it is not essential. Money is, instead, essential for efficient markets.""It is not markets that made money possible. It is collectibles, which we now call money, that make markets possible. For a good store of value the liquidity of markets is nice to have; it is not essential. Money is, instead, essential for efficient markets."

Over time and in true spontaneous order fashion,

Objects valued by some for practical or even superficial reasons can evolve into objects deeply valued by all in a culture for their stitching ability.

This story is roughly right as a matter of historical accounting. I'm not so sure it changes anything but terminologically about what we mean when we say "markets," "money", "goods" etc -- since honoring/upholding a contract is a market service, _money_ is any "commonly accepted medium of exchange" (even if it's as small-scale as whatever settles a dispute between two neighboring tribes), and "markets" is a shortform for any sort of human trading interaction. This is precisely why it's so weird to outline a pre- and post-capitalism world (#1426621).

It's all just human cooperation. Subjective value, exchange etc.


The most important arguments being made for Bitcoin today are probably over a hundred millennia old. Collectibles, which when used in today's markets we call money, can take many of the desires people have throughout life, along with its hardest problems and greatest opportunities — death, conflict, marriage — and make them virtually coincide, stitch them together in time and space. They transfer value across time and space from one set of events and desires to another.

I didn't want to bias anyone, but I was pretty surprised by this piece.

I see Szabo on X going on about immigrants and the war in Iran and I am continual surprised by how much it sounds like my fat old uncle who hasn't had a job in twenty years.

Then he put out a new piece and I thought "oh yeah, we're back, baby!"

Then it started with an historical vignette or something? And liberal use of ai generated historical images.

Not like this.

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Agreed... don't look at his Twitter, he's pretty retarded there.

The AI and imagined history didn't bother me... we emphatically don't know much about what that world looked like, so it's fine just slopping it up, I'd say

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29 sats \ 1 reply \ @phat0m 6 May
yeah, Scoresby won again... (#1485174) I suck at this early-bird-gets-the-worm game...

Is @Scoresby even human at this point, or just a highly efficient algorithm with how fast he gets news/info?

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I think the latter one, yeah. Superhuman

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it's the desire for humans to find solutions and mutually acceptable agreements.

Argumentation Ethics have entered the chat. Everyone who doesn't want peaceful solutions gets a free helicopter ride.

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