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My Daughter is heading into her final exams next year, and we've had an interesting conversation about AI

She will be taking the exams from home and I suggested she use AI to assist during exams, obviously not to blindly rely on it, but as a tool to reduce stress and improve performance

Her response? She thinks exams should be done the old fashioned way bless her, she's got more morals than me lol

Now I'm wondering... Am I in the wrong or is she being too obedient?

Here's where I standHere's where I stand

  • AI is there to be used with caution
  • More and more of the rhetoric I hear is degrees are a waste of time nowadays, the way I see it, just get the piece of paper, F*** playing by the rules
  • Because the exam is taken remotely with no snooping from teachers, the risk of getting caught is near zero

Having an understanding of the questions in the exam paper is absolutely necessary, let me make that clear and she has put the work in over the last two years, but there is some subjects that are just out of her grasp and the use of AI would or could just give that nod of confirmation

Obviously don't blindly rely on sloppery that will get you a fail, I'm just saying use it as a safety net

Maybe I'm too cynical but the real world is dog eat dog and I get that honesty is a virtue but if I was answering an exam question and I kind of understood it but not fully, having that confirmation would just give me the confidence to answer it

Remember what our boomer teachers said to us at school 'you won't always have a calculator in your pocket' 🤣🤣

What's the equivalent today?![1]

  1. *Yes Darth we know you hate AI before you say it

It’s such a moral dilemma, isn’t it? This resonated with me because I’m a public schooo teacher. I’m not sure if i would have actively dissuaded my students from referring to AI during the exam haha.

To what extent is a good degree crucial to the youth in your country finding good jobs? In my country, it seems that the battlefield is fought through internships and the connections they make. Someone with a good honours degree might lose out to his counterpart with more honed soft skills. If so, I would pat your daughter on the shoulder and say good job!

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I forecast that in the age of AI, personal connections will be more important than ever

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yes, in the prevalence of AI slop, someone who is authentic and sincere ought to be a breath of fresh air

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In the age of AI (because everybody uses it anyway), the evaluation criteria should be changed more to how well the student can apply her knowledge in practice or how well she can weave in more personal experiences (if it’s an essay etc.).

No more generalized babbling slop with fancy words and memorizing facts and figures.

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133 sats \ 3 replies \ @optimism 19h

If you make AI a taboo in school, then post-school no one knows how to properly use it and it is more likely to be abused. Ideally, you'll want to enable your students for the future.

But at the same time, the technological maturity isn't there yet, at all. End-to-end, it's riddled with bugs and experiments labeled as the one and only solutions, released and hyped to the public way too early.

Example: a year ago, everyone would have told you that MCP is the holy grail, but today it's CLI + markdown (Skills). So imagine teaching AI. By the time that you have created a course on how to safely use MCP, you're rugged by the industry.

MCP and CLI tools both have downsides that probably should (but currently don't) prevent long term institutionalization. But not giving grep to a bot right now is kind of a self-own. Worse, APIs that you'd want your bot to interface with are often hard to properly secure, and yolovibed new APIs are not going to help in that department either; but currently, that's nearly all we're getting.

This is also why I have issues in trying to build the hitchhiker's guide to the AI universe: it's too fluid. I don't want to spend months to work out something that I know is good, to then just throw it out because it is obsolete by the time it's done.

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Amazing answer as usual optimistic thank you


I don't want to spend months to work out something that I know is good, to then just throw it out because it is obsolete by the time it's done

I'm not in tech but I imagine you've been facing this in all areas for years no?

At my fiat mines they bought a super-duper management system that took about three years to implement

The go live date kept being delayed which I assume is standard and they eventually went live with defects, only for the system to be utterly out of date with the current market offerings

And this was pre convid!

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214 sats \ 1 reply \ @optimism 17h
I'm not in tech but I imagine you've been facing this in all areas for years no?

Not really. There was generally no need to be this early an adopter because there was no FOMO. The pressure is insane right now and we're all using poorly engineered technology that needs massive development on the consuming side to get working. We see people losing their jobs because they are automated away by LLMs that are at best an experimental, wonky integration. I've not seen it this bad in 35+ years

The go live date kept being delayed which I assume is standard

I have done a couple of mega projects and it's always a battle between realistic timelines and attractive timelines, but a delivery delay due to quality assurance is a good delay. I'm more worried about the lack of quality assurance: no delays, poor quality.

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I've not seen it this bad in 35+ years

Worrying times indeed, not much to say to that 😭

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I'm confused. There is a take-home exam with zero checks and balances? The problem with her not using AI is that it will put her at a disadvantage relative to everyone else who does the exam at home.

They really shouldn't be allowing exams like that, unless they allow full tool access to everyone.

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86 sats \ 0 replies \ @Wumbo 13h

I would say use AI.

What's the equivalent today?

A couple thoughts that come to mind:

  • One must use quill and ink vs pen. You don't want to lose your quill skills.
  • One must not use a dictionary. You need to build those phonics skills.

In my personal experience restrictions on how one takes a test, is a sign that the person who wrote the test does not want to spend the time and effort developing good question.

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23 sats \ 0 replies \ @unboiled 12h

Is the use of AI allowed?
Yes? Do it.
No? Then using it is cheating.

It's really not that hard.

Having said that, school is a joke only for indoctrination anyway. So does it matter if you cheat or not?

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From what I see, everyone in school is using AI as much as possible and claiming they don't. Teachers too. Ultimately it's about producing the best work so learning when and exactly how to use it is where the profit lies. Ethics under fire for real. Just make sure to scrub out the AI smell.

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Is it cheating if I use Clause or ChatGPT to write code ?

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l'ai non è la soluzione a tutto, piu essere uno spunto, ma ancora non pronta per l'uso comune. ed in alcuni contesti, come gli esami, non dovrebbe essere usata affatto. ti porto l'esperienza di un cugino che ha fatto diversi esami di medicina durante il covid quindi online: la commissione gli faceva fare u n giro di camera per verificare che non ci fossero altri dispositivi in zona e la conversazione a figura intera per vedere che facevano le mani e dove si guardava. furbetti si, ma con criterio.

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