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Hayes is a trader, not very ideological with his takes

I read Hayes too but for entertainment value. I don't think I ever acted on anything he wrote (and that's probably for the better.) For Vlad idk what is up with him. He seems (or at least, seemed, a couple of years ago) such a nice guy. "Branding"? meh.

What bothers me most is the slimy pumping from Vlad and Hayes. I'd very much like to be able to dismiss them and never think about them again. Yet, I enjoy Hayes newsletter (on occasion) and Vlad does get cool guests on his podcast. It makes me sad to have to be even more cynical of the media they produce. Takes away some of the entertainment value.

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It was found because Shielded Labs hired someone to look for bugs using AI.

Because of the privacy properties of Orchard, there is no way to cryptographically prove whether the vulnerability was exploited before it was remediated.

Udi is right about this. It's inherent to the design (and not the 

I'm impressed that they made it public. [..] they were cornered from the get-go

They have to and yes, you're always cornered in FOSS. There is no way that they can ship code without post-merge scrutiny so it cannot be hidden. You have to disclose, and for a consensus bug that needs a hardfork, it means you have to coordinate. I think that they handled this bad situation well. And very quickly; it's actually impressive.

The problem with ZCash is not in the execution, I think.

isn't this the big scary part of using zero knowledge proofs?

Yes. But it doesn't have to be a problem.

The problem is that hyping/pumping something you cannot possibly understand (re: Vlad and Hayes in your comment thread of tweets - whom provably didn't) is dangerous; you're gambling with the money of those that listen to you. Luckily, no one listens to these guys except for entertaining casino banter, right? It's not the first time that shitcoin hype came from tweets of these guys and it won't be the last. The best advice is to ignore them.

But remember, there's some fire in Bitcoin too, just it gets more scrutiny and it is simpler. Do you understand the risks you're taking though, anon?

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The Orchard Counterfeiting Vulnerability - zooko

> It was found because Shielded Labs hired someone to look for bugs using AI.

It's really good that they did this.

> Because of the privacy properties of Orchard, there is no way to cryptographically prove whether the vulnerability was exploited before it was remediated.

Udi is right about this. It's inherent to the design (and not the `privacy properties`.)

> I'm impressed that they made it public. \[..] they were cornered from the get-go

They have to and yes, you're always cornered in FOSS. There is no way that they can ship code without post-merge scrutiny so it cannot be hidden. You have to disclose, and for a consensus bug that needs a hardfork, it means you have to coordinate. I think that they handled this bad situation well. And very quickly; it's actually impressive.

The problem with ZCash is not in the execution, I think.

> isn't this the big scary part of using zero knowledge proofs?

Yes. But it doesn't have to be a problem. 

The problem is that hyping/pumping something you cannot possibly understand (re: Vlad and Hayes in your comment thread of tweets - whom provably didn't) is dangerous; you're gambling with the money of those that listen to you. Luckily, no one listens to these guys except for entertaining casino banter, right? It's not the first time that shitcoin hype came from tweets of these guys and it won't be the last. The best advice is to ignore them.

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***TLDR; play with fire, get burned.*** _But remember, there's some fire in Bitcoin too, just it gets more scrutiny and it is simpler. Do you understand the risks you're taking though, anon?_