There are times when humanity does something that makes me think we aren't completely doomed. There is Federal Reserve rule-making proposal with the title:
Prohibition on Use of Reputation Risk or Other Supervisory Tools To Encourage or Compel Banking Organizations To Engage in Politicized or Unlawful DiscriminationProhibition on Use of Reputation Risk or Other Supervisory Tools To Encourage or Compel Banking Organizations To Engage in Politicized or Unlawful Discrimination
Since being published in February of this year, it has received more than 12,000 public comments:
The result is that the Fed’s staid website now features letters from throngs of people describing sexual desires, fetishes and other sensitive interests, such as a fan of “risqué pinup-style” drawings complaining about how financial firms keep stymying his attempts to commission art from Japan. Other writers span a variety of subcultures, including furries seeking access to erotic animal costumes or cartoon drawings (as one explained, “like those in Zootopia 2”).
The Fed’s proposal to do just that [stop encouraging financial firms to cut ties with customers whose pursuits are legal but might pose a “reputation risk.”] has ignited a burst of public involvement rarely if ever seen in its modern rulemaking. Its draft regulations typically attract a few dozen comments, or occasionally hundreds. Tally up every letter currently on the Fed’s website about other matters over the past decade and the total is less than 3,500.
But then came the anti-debanking measure, which has drawn more than 12,000 responses so far. It began with a flood of letters in March, continued through April and kept trickling in through May, even as the Fed’s deadline passed. Almost all of the commenters expressed opinions supporting the proposal (a Bloomberg review identified only a few dozen clearly opposed).
Commenters describe losing access to financial services after engaging in legal activities, while others expressed fear of being targeted for exercising free speech or pursuing the arts. Among people who specified a type of expression, more than 1,200 mentioned pornography or erotic drawings, literature and games.
But the stakes are high for debanking, too. Some artists and entrepreneurs described how they or acquaintances struggled to make rent or buy food after financial firms rejected them directly or threatened the online marketplaces where they sell goods.
Vocal constituencies also include people reporting a crackdown on LGBTQ culture or worrying about access to firearms. Comments on religion were split between protecting it from suppression or blaming it for debanking.
Both sides are also realizing they can be debanked. The Christian Employers Alliance, representing “faith driven” businesses and organizations, wrote in a comment letter that its beliefs and “moral conviction” may be labeled as too controversial or considered high risk. It said firms should stick to financial criteria, not ideology.
Likewise, banks shouldn’t be allowed to thwart gun sales, eroding the right to bear arms, Mississippi Treasurer David McRae wrote in a comment letter. “Access to our financial system and the ability to freely express our constitutional rights should never hinge on the political preferences of Wall Street,” he said.
I feel that Bitcoin has really missed on this one. These are exactly the people who's problems we should be figuring out how to fix. If they took the time to write a comment on the Fed's message board for this rule-making, they are perfect for orange-pilling.
On the other hand, perhaps we all would be better off if there was more debanking. It would make the lines very clear and I think that such a thing might help Bitcoin adoption more than most other things.
I kinda disagree with your sentiment. Yes bitcoin is the sensible alternative for unbanked people, but it’s their problem, not ours, to solve. A solution exists, if you want it. Like I don’t know what I would personally do, besides answer questions I could answer.
But isn't it weird that these people didn't find bitcoin? Why is it that the writers of these complaints didn't start asking for payment via bitcoin? Maybe they did and I just don't buy a lot of furry anime porn -- but all the same it seems like their problem wasn't fixed by any bitcoin tool.
I don't think Bitcoiners need to be interested in fixing anyone's problem gratuitously, but if what we think about bitcoin is correct (that it's censorship resistant, good money) why isn't someone making a successful business out of meeting this demand?
You are right in that I probably shouldn't have used "should" language, but I am surprised that there can be talk of debanking and a large number of people clearly worked up about it and bitcoin doesn't seem to solve the problem yet. Is it just a marketing issue (most normies don't think about bitcoin) or what?
As far as I know, the only attempts at this were starbackr and xotika.tv, and those were both streaming/video based. I'm surprised there hasn't been a dominant patreon-esque platform that uses bitcoin and doesn't eject people who are into weird things. Maybe Silk Road was this (way before my time, so I can't really say).
completely fair question, I see your point. I could only speculate as well.
Did "Bitcoin" do anything differently while all the debanking went down (since 2012 or so)?
My question is what part of a bitcoin payments flow is broken such that when a person who draws scandalous pictures of furries or whatever loses their payment processing, there isn't a natural/easy way to switch to bitcoin payments?
If a person is making money via selling some kind of digital art and then they lose the ability to accept payments because payment processors fear reputational risk, something is wrong if instead of finding bitcoin as a solution, they end up writing comments on the fed's rule-making website.
So I'm saying that "Bitcoin" missed -- either because we still haven't built the last mile of the payment flow or because such people aren't aware there's a solution.
All the rails for "fiat maxis" require KYC. You want Strike? KYC. You want CashApp? KYC. You want Fold? KYC. You want something that doesn't have KYC? You have a good chance to get rugged. The exception is the Block terminals - fits within the regional scope of the article. That's a 2026 thing.
There are enough ways now to do graduated wallets too. I think that if anything, this can use increased effort. Describe the process from a risk/reward perspective. Not "use/not-use cashu/fedi/spark/custodial wallet" and then leave no options, but explain the options, how to minimize risk, how to go through the graduation process.
Good point
Maybe Here Comes Bitcoin Mascot should be submitting a public comment for some free advertisement.
We still have the criminals
Whoa