howdy! I won't bother with a massive intro, just to flag I almost certainly can't talk about Axiom portfolio companies in much detail (not fair on them) or anything personal (just don't wanna). otherwise, AMA!
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howdy! I won't bother with a massive intro, just to flag I almost certainly can't talk about Axiom portfolio companies in much detail (not fair on them) or anything personal (just don't wanna). otherwise, AMA!
Your long-read with Sacha the other week was truly a bliss to consume #1474189. Regained a lot of my faith and optimism for this space... flashbacks to 2019 or 2021.
The infighting and pointless distractions (quantum, Core, ordinals, and particularly the financialization) have driven me completely crazy.
What do you think happened in the story/storyline/arc of Bitcoin? Where did we falter?
I am very sensitive to pro-ossification arguments as the only way to protect against state compromise, which lends itself to: every week will be a slow news week and hence all "news" will be stupid. however I'm also pretty critical of the way core organization has faltered and some pretty obvious innovations could have been accelerated (especially if you also want eventual ossification) so I guess "not focusing on those things and getting them done" is part of the answer too.
at a higher level though, I've honestly always disliked the idea of a Bitcoin-specific "storyline" as such in any realm other than what is becoming newly technically possible. a soft fork, or discovering/inventing Ark, or René's work on Lightning are all different flavours of what is truly valuable (basically the kind of stuff that gets discussed at a btc++ and hardly anywhere else). beyond that, "X company now holds bitcoin" doesn't interest me at all. it just should happen. it shouldn't be "news".
thank you very much for the praise for the essay, I'm glad you liked it. you'll notice however we don't use the word "bitcoin" even once. that's kind of how I feel bitcoin content should be: either technical and progressive and, by whatever means, creating new knowledge, or just about some broader topic that relates to bitcoin intellectually but isn't breathless "news".
SN is 5 years old. What took you so long to discover it?
dude I did an AMA in 2022 :P
#53950
Yes, I know... that's why I asked.
After that you were in total silence and only in 2024 come back with another alias...
SN is not only for AMAs...
I consistently forget how I have previously signed in, so I've ended up doing it 5 or 6 different ways.
sorry but part of the "bitcoin education" is how you sign up on bitcoin stuff...
If you can't remember that basic stuff, I have no more questions to ask.
This is like forgetting to save your 12 words seed in a safe place...
I've lost seed phrases too, don't worry.
you should be very proud of that...
been stacking before me! (but I'm pretty late to this SN game, so alas)
You're a math wiz IIRC?
I'd be interested to get your estimate on a realistic upper bound of actual Bitcoin users
Premise:
Because
Would you also conclude that Fake L2's who appeal to the scaling pathos are scamming?
Thanks.
interesting question, never actually thought about it. I actually disagree slightly on the fee point because, for example, say you have a lightning balance or an Ark vTXO lower than the chain fee. there is an interesting philosophical discussion as to whether you truly "own it" or if you are more like a de facto custodial customer. however, you definitively can still spend it. so are you a bitcoin user? I would say surely you are, and for the exact reason you point out of how many will inevitably be priced out by chain fees, probably a lot of people end up in this position.
and btw I don't bring this up just to ponder a cute technicality but rather because the point you are making is so fundamental, any either future L2 or improvement to an existing L2 surely has to be measured on these terms. no scaling solution can overcome this entirely, so asking how well it can be mitigated is valuable.
You can only spend it within that closed network, to use the open network you're a dependent on others, there's no "unilateral exit" possible which is the standard by which fake L2's claim to be non-custodial
So in a purely black and white base chain context, what do you reckon?
IInteresting framing about supply vs users.
It seems like the "minimum viable UTXO" constraint becomes more binding over time as fees rise, effectively pricing out smaller participants at the base layer.
Do you think L2s genuinely solve this by abstracting ownership, or do they just shift the custodial/trust assumptions elsewhere?
At some point, it feels like the system optimizes for capital concentration rather than broad sovereign usage.
Hey Allen, I was just wondering, where does the yield come from?
yes
Thoughts on next UK general election
Greens
Rupert Lowe/Farage
Lab
Con
Lib dims
Hung Parliament
I honestly have no idea what is likely but the cleanest way to think about the options is that labour and conservatives may as well no longer exist and the lib dems never did, leaving the following options:
first world country: restore
second world country: reform
third world country: green
I think RL will try for a majority but the rainbow 🌈 lanyard liberal elite will vote against and hung parliament is on the cards
I dont wanna get too dramatic and alienate people over something that has nothing to do with bitcoin, but I'll give you the teaser that Restore winning in 29 is the last way out that is either democratic or nonviolent.
Agree
Despite last year's fabulous Bitcoin treasury summer, it doesn't seem to me that very many institutions are holding their own keys. Do you think institutions will ever be strongly interested in self custody of their own bitcoin?
depends on the type of institution but I think there is a lot of cope and hopium around this. wherever there is fiduciary responsibility, there is dramatic risk aversion. and it's not like that's a fiat invention, it exists for a good reason if you want to have any principal/agent risk in a complex financial system. what I do think is exciting, however, is multi-institutional multi-sig, which has no analogue in fiat and potentially gives those in that position the best of both worlds (or decent of both).
the more bullish answer is that wherever you don't have that risk to address, people will probably learn the hard way that they should indeed hold their own coins.
Thanks for the nuanced answer. It seems to me that self-custody is always going to be a long-shot for corporations.
But this still leaves the qualified custodians. I am surprised that there are so few (or perhaps I am just ignorant of how many there are). Do you worry about large pots of bitcoins piling up in the hands of a few custodians?
I think coinbase getting hacked would be the single best thing that could happen for bitcoin.
What would be the worst thing for Bitcoin?
everybody (tries to) sell, price goes to (basically) zero, nobody mines, no blocks or all blocks are attacks, no nothing, it's over.
or people just lost their seed...
You are asking the guy that can't remember how signup on SN how to hold the bitcoin keys for institutions?
😂😂
Guys, let's be serious...
What is your opinion of stablecoins, and their newfound popularity/legitimacy?
gave this same answer below but worth pointing you to this: https://njump.me/naddr1qvzqqqr4gupzpqnwn7y4hqdtgxj9ygngkfy7drgze2qkpr002c4yj08wxhlut36eqqxnzde5xs6rjv3kxcer2vp3lc8ac9
TLDR of my "opinion" - they are popular because fiat is even dumber so they actually have decent economic merit by comparison, but they are still kinda dumb in that you don't need a blockchain at all and they are only used as regulatory arbitrage because regulators are bamboozled by the innovation theatre.
What's a societal outcome you'd trade all your bitcoin for?
Scotland is the best. What's your favourite part of this wonderland (culturally, geographically)?
And why do you think this little nation at the edge of the world has produced so much for humanity? (How the Scots Invented the Modern World, etc)
Edinburgh is the most beautiful city in the world. it's an absolutely magical place to live that numbs you to how shit everything else is here.
on question 2, no idea, but it's pretty wild when you check the logs! whisky maybe?
plenty of places have "whisky" -- but nobody's got the high-quality and legacy, mastered/cultured production!
What is your minimum success case for Bitcoin?
Can it remain a useful tool if it never really sees greater adoption than it currently has?
I guess at the very least it should be completely normalized for people to save long-term in bitcoin, for that to not even be questioned or second-guessed.
I think the second question kind of answers itself: if people use it, it's useful. I think it gets more useful the more people use it for probably obvious reasons.
Will you be at the Bitcoin Ireland conference coming up? Pretty close to your home turf!
can't make it, sorry
What would you do if you sat on Satoshi's private keys?
destroy them
launder some!!
~lol~lol
That's a real mind-bender. Looks simple, but it's a rabbit hole.
What matters more to you, institutional or personal bitcoin adoption? Where do you see these two crossing paths working together?
I'd massively prefer personal adoption but I try to be realistic about how likely that is.
I don't think I understand the second question or at least can't think of a good answer beyond recognizing that institutions don't have any meaning outisde of the individuals who comprise them so hopefully there is still some residual benefit where it matters.
I'm somewhat doubtful of the utility of stablecoins on bitcoin -- it seems to me that bitcoin primarily provides censorship resistance, while stablecoins provide...something else (regulatory arbitrage?) and so I don't quite understand why people are interested in stablecoins that run on Bitcoin (eg taproot assets, some of the Lightspark stuff with stalecoins).
What do you see as the utility of a stablecoin that is "on bitcoin"?
it depends what exactly you mean by "on bitcoin". fwiw I wrote a huge post on this about a year ago so I won't try to summarize the whole thing (https://njump.me/naddr1qvzqqqr4gupzpqnwn7y4hqdtgxj9ygngkfy7drgze2qkpr002c4yj08wxhlut36eqqxnzde5xs6rjv3kxcer2vp3lc8ac9)
the simplest point I would make is that it strikes me as an obvious evolution of bitcoin's growing utility and adoption that fiat payments will be routed through it (probably lightning but not necessarily). whether the UX is that you have a "token" on one or either side representing a dollar is maybe interesting in terms of the evolution of the product but not really in terms of the underlying economics. what I argue in that article is it probably converges on being dollar ecash rather than "stablecoins" and then finally fiat disappears altogether.
What are you thoughts on "value4value" or micropayments? Do you think Szabo is right that micro payments are never really going to be a thing because it is just too annoying to think about such small payments?
I don't buy Szabo's "annoying" argument, but I do buy Knut's "that's fiat" argument. I don't wanna speak for him but as I roughly recall, he thinks it's much more likely you just pay a normal amount for x-many usages you redeem at your leisure. at the same time it's a bit arrogant to say you know how people will use something that has only just been invented or only just become possible so, sure, maybe they take off massively. but by base case is Knut's.
Which investments were you involved with managing at Baillie Gifford?
there's no simple (or interesting) answer. I didn't have sole responsibility for anything, I was on a team with a hierarchy of partners, managers, and analysts in which, by design, nobody could do anything unilaterally, but seniority determined how much you could do.
Were you there in 2018?
yup
I remember seeing James Anderson on CNBC quite a lot during that era – I'm a long-term Tesla shareholder so I follow conversations and opinions around the company closely. 2018 was the year of the Thai cave rescue and Elon's infamous comments about Vern Unsworth, and of course the "funding secured" tweet. What were the conversations like internally at the time? Was there much division?
Is Bitcoin the solution to America’s triffin dilemma?
please elaborate on what you think "America's Triffin Dilemma" is in the first place. different people mean different things by this.
the hollowing out of America’s manufacturing capability as a consequence of paying for imported manufactured goods with dollars
He needs pma
Do you think there will be a chain split this year that has serious hash rate on both sides?
no
You describe capital as ‘tools’ and argue that Bitcoin changes economic incentives. Is Bitcoin simply improving capital allocation, or is it creating a fundamentally new way of organizing economic activity over time?
no, it's just better money. you can get far too carried away with how novel you think it is when it is mostly very very old.
In the last 3 years, which event/happening in bitcoin surprised you most?
What do you think matters the most to the young people now?
was it really 6 million?
If you had a choice between an Ark wallet, a Spark wallet, a Cashu wallet, and a fresh regular lightning wallet, which one are you spinning up next?
Good news
Question that I think only you and maybe Saifedean can answer well:
In a hyperbitcoinized world where credit is built bottom-up from individual savings rather than top-down from a central bank's discount window, what does your model predict for the natural rate of interest? And — given that VC return assumptions today implicitly bake in a fiat-cycle's worth of expected re-rating — how does that recalibrate the IRR / time-horizon math at Axiom?
A more concrete version: if a hard-money equilibrium pulls real rates back toward Wicksell's natural rate (~2-3% historical average across pre-1913 bond markets), most of today's growth-stage Bitcoin co's underwriting effectively assumes 5-10% nominal terminal cost of capital. The deltas compound over a 7-10 year hold. Have you found a portfolio-construction adjustment that handles that pricing gap, or is it just "underwrite to a different terminal"?
Adjacent: do you think a Bitcoin standard creates a permanent split between "financialized" capital (productive equity) and "savings" capital (BTC HODL), and does that change the pool of LPs you target?
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