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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 25 May -30 sats

https://m.stacker.news/142460

I thought I misconfigured something on my phone because message delivery from Signal was getting worse to the point that it now no longer delivers notifications. But apparently I'm not the only one. Going to piss off Anthropic and try to max out my Claude Max credits with this (short version of a ~1000 line prompt):

Analyze the diff between android v15 and v16. Identify all potential changes that can influence the disruption of message delivery when an app is asleep, per the attached log, for which the source code can be found in the github repos signalapp/libsignal and signalapp/signal-android. Identify all codeblocks in the android diff and for each codeblock, map the the end-to-end interaction with the signal code, in a subtask, one for each codeblock. Leave no stone unturned. Report the results from all subtasks in a new markdown file committed under android/bugs/operation-sighalp.md. Do not combine code blocks and report on each one in detail, with at least inferred intent, obvious bugs and impact on downstream consumers. At the top of the file write a summary with all the potential causes of the deferred processing, ordered by likelyhood.
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Put some zines in the take a book leave a book community book house!

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great idea!

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157 sats \ 1 reply \ @plebpoet 24 May

ayyyyy that’s so sick

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Just use gloves and don't lick it

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155 sats \ 20 replies \ @ek 24 May

@k00b @sox I have a question: why is @sox working on custom domains, which, afaik, only one person has requested, instead of on territory features that are, afaict, in higher demand? Stackers have been trying to work around the fact that they are missing for quite some time now. For example, ~econ, ~HealthAndFitness, and now ~Music are managed by multiple stackers.

I have started to think about a co-founder for ~security, too. I would also like it to be easier to know how much I earned from ~security this month, so I know how much I am still paying for it myself. I think this has also been requested many times. Satistics have improved, yes, but I don’t see how they can answer this question.

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213 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b 24 May

I should mention: if there's anything you'd like us to work on that we aren't, and are motivated enough to do the work yourself, I'd be happy to pay for it.

Territory pools are at least a week of work (excluding review), most of which is sorting out the UI/UX.

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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @ek 24 May

Thank you, I'll consider it

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We operate ~Music from a separate account and a separate wallet. This practice of separating collective activity / finances from that of the individuals - that has been around since before Julius Caesar proclaimed the corporations bill of the Roman Empire into law - makes it a lot easier, because there is no risk of commingling, also not of the accounting.

This month it took me a little over an hour to account the P&L and reconcile with wallets, because I did it 100% manually, including recognition across income sources (fees versus zap apportionment.) I intend to automate this (externally) and if I find any roadblocks, I'll raise an issue on the GitHub repo.

The only feature that would make it easier on the SN side would be account delegation, but note that there's operational risk with that too. For now we've solved it for ~Music with shared credentials, which is anyway happening because I've not seen a good multisig solution for LN yet.

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120 sats \ 7 replies \ @ek 24 May
I intend to automate this

FYI, there's snappy. It powers @nitter and @hn. I don't know whether it's going to be useful to you, but I thought I'd let you decide. The README sucks, but so far I have been the only intended user.

Also, since the API changes (which I understand) without announcements (which would be nice), it could be nice to maintain it together.

I think @WeAreAllSatoshi stopped his mining posts because of the required maintenance of his JavaScript code.


lol, just realized my second commit was "god mod init"

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1132 sats \ 5 replies \ @optimism 24 May

Thanks. I have a working but unpublished (because it is sloptained, not maintained) javascript lib. But I promised for this one I'd write it in Python and will publish it.

I can probably get you alerts on API changes; I'd want that for the python implementation anyway (even though it'll be extremely narrow in scope.) Graphql is "self-documenting" so we can just diff json (even on closed source) and for SN we can even ingest commits and be prepared before publish. This in turn we can also automate (I have a framework but I'm not happy with it as-is yet) and have bots trace back to code commits with some minimal cognitive debt by only reading lines that matter to relevant APIs.

I'll look into what it takes to notify downstream public github repos.

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70 sats \ 3 replies \ @ek 24 May

If you do this, I'll create an animated meme with you as the main character, similar to the one at #1450231.

Ever since a comment you made about supply chain attacks, I've been depicting you in this Final Destination scene:

(I'll probably create it anyway at some point. I think creating animated memes is one of my callings.)

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This video is age-restricted and only available on YouTube.

Since you're apparently logged in to youtube maybe you can run:

yt-dlp --cookies-from-browser <yourbrowsername> -t mp4 -o myvid.mp4 "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HrTgWedKG0"

and share it through a non-spooky, non-nazi, non-KYC platform... like... idk... your filesharing vibe thing from the other day? thx ❤️

supply chain attacks

They're real but the bigger threat right now is Claude. I'm down to 9 apps through obtainium and 3 through f-droid, on my insecure day-to-day phone. Soon 8, when I purge amethyst. I have migrated an older version of Amber into a an emulator pending replacement. That's what the world has come to in 2026: "no, i don't trust you, bro".

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139 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 24 May

I can just upload it here!

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Thanks! Appreciate it. And yes!

70 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 24 May

That'd be awesome. fill me with some awe.

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yes, I just let it stop working after I noticed it wasn’t posting. I probably could have written the code more defensively, but that’s ok

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124 sats \ 5 replies \ @sox 24 May

Because I wanted to finish what I didn't get to finish last year. /s

I can assure you that custom domains are just one of the many features we have planned for territories. And it's not the only feature currently in development.

I would also like it to be easier to know how much I earned from ~security this month

That's a nice idea and you should feel free to open an issue for it. On the repo topic, while our repository is a great way to track the development of our features, I agree that we should do a better job keeping everyone updated here on Stacker News.


which, afaik, only one person has requested

P.S. We don't base our decision to implement features solely on the number of requests they receive, unless something is critical. We'd like to build what we believe will be most valuable to the community as a whole.

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1 sat \ 4 replies \ @ek 24 May
I can assure you that custom domains are just one of the many features we have planned for territories. And it's not the only feature currently in development.

Tbh, this sounds corporate.

We don't base our decision to implement features solely on the number of requests they receive [...] most valuable to the community as a whole.

Are you going to use custom domains? Is @k00b going to use custom domains? Which (existing) members of this community you think are going to use custom domains, such that it's the "most valuable [feature] to the community as a whole"? Or am I misunderstanding how you meant that?

Sorry for this possibly hard question, but I think it's important to ask and think about.

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124 sats \ 2 replies \ @sox 24 May

I intended to use them for ~hyperlinks, for example. It’s a human-curated, constantly updated, list of interesting links. Can't thank everybody enough for their interest!

There's some personal bias in what you think of custom domains, I've always thought that territories could gain more independence, giving them the ability to be a website it's a great first step.

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1 sat \ 1 reply \ @ek 24 May
I've always thought that territories could gain more independence,

Same, in a “territories should feel like territories” way, all the way back to when we decided how to even call them, but …

giving them the ability to be a website it's a great first step.

… this sounds more like one of the last steps.

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this sounds more like one of the last steps

I think it's okay to also have fun while building

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151 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 24 May
Or am I misunderstanding how you meant that?

I think so. Given the big picture, the things I've shared in my comment, we believe custom domains are one of the most valuable things we can work on for "the community as a whole" because they are upstream of growth.

Which (existing) members of this community you think are going to use custom domains

Custom domains are to a large extent about the opposite: attracting people from outside the existing community.

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353 sats \ 2 replies \ @k00b 24 May

There are a few reasons:

  1. faster horses were in high demand when automobiles were invented
  2. custom domains are about growth and growth (having more people posting and discussing stuff) is in high demand
  3. custom domains are related to downstream work and getting them done will improve that work
  4. I was supposed to be working on general territory improvements after my payment engine refactor but have had to work on wallets instead
  5. territory pools are highly interactive/require coordination so it's not as trivial as it seems

I would also like it to be easier to know how much I earned from ~security this month

Ah we do not show monthly revenue in the charts until the calendar month has passed. I agree this would be nice.

I think this has also been requested many times.

It hasn't afaik.

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124 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 24 May
  1. faster horses were in high demand when automobiles were invented

I figured you'd say that. Is that really relevant here, though? It implies that you think the features I mentioned shouldn't be built.

I think such phrases need to be used in the appropriate context. It makes more sense when asking people on the street what they want, rather than when long-term users are repeatedly requesting a feature in an existing product without being prompted.

  1. custom domains are related to downstream work and getting them done will improve that work

Ok I did not know about this, thanks

  1. custom domains are about growth and growth (having more people posting about and discussing stuff) is in high demand

That I can agree with, but isn't growth also about churn? You don't grow if more people are leaving than coming in. I don't know if (enough) stackers are leaving for this to be important, though.

  1. i was supposed to be working on general territory improvements after my payment engine refactor but have had to work on wallets instead

Yes. I'm basically asking why these general territory improvements, that you would have spent your time on, are less important than custom domains.

  1. territory pools are highly interactive/require coordination, so it's not as trivial as it seems

Surely easier than trying to use the internet in a way it's fighting you?


Anyway. You don't need to reply to this, I know you're busy. Just wanted to let you know my thoughts

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203 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 24 May
Is that really relevant here, though?

It is. That anecdote reminds us there are different kinds of demand:

  1. apparent demand
  2. latent demand

You are asking why we aren't meeting apparent demand. Part of my answer is that we are meeting latent demand at the cost of not meeting apparent demand.

It implies that you think the features I mentioned shouldn't be built.

Taken literally, I can see how that is implied. It's not what I meant.

isn't growth also about churn

It is and churn is about two things:

  1. retention
  2. attracting new people

On a relative basis, we are very good at retention and bad at attracting new people. So we should bias toward attracting new people.

Surely easier than trying to use the internet in a way it's fighting you?

I don't understand this one.

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Screenshot from "The Psychology of The Restless Wanderer" by Eternalised:

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Coin of the day:

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"Bitcoin is not just money. It is, in a Jungian sense, a symbolic mirror; a structure that reflects back the ethical coherence, or incoherence, of its participants."

Quote from this excellent piece by Discovering Bitcoin:

"The Spiral of Sovereignty: Bitcoin and the Recovery of Value"

This essay traces Steiner, the Austrians, Pirsig, and Jung to show how freedom, value, and coherence emerge through participation - and how Bitcoin incarnates these insights as a moral architecture for our time.

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@AGORA I will ask here first before posting the offer in AGORA.
Are you able to handle an escrow service for exchanging forked coins for BTC ?
I would like to offer from now ALL my new forked coins (idk how they will be named) for more BTC.
P2P, using agora as escrow, in private or anonymous.
Did you think about scenario ? Soon we will have 2 forks and people will get crazy...

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201 sats \ 4 replies \ @AGORA 24 May

Will be of curse private and anonymous. Yes we do have thought about this scenario as it looks like will be unrolling soon. Escrow service is described here #1248555 and is being refined as we go forward with trades. We are now using whitenoise app for private comms, one group for each trade so everyone is on the same page.

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1 sat \ 2 replies \ @ek 24 May
We are now using whitenoise app for private comms, one group for each trade so everyone is on the same page.

How long have you been using it? Any issues?

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since has launched and have been testing it on various devices. it is now becoming more and more stable. One issue I noticed is that previous groups are not compatible with latest version.

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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @ek 24 May

"becoming more and more stable" means it's not stable, and you wouldn't recommend using it, unless you want to be an early adopter?

One issue I noticed is that previous groups are not compatible with latest version.

Sounds pretty bad

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We are now using whitenoise app for private comms, one group for each trade so everyone is on the same page.

very good!

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It's great to write here. In the future I'll be able to get back and reread where I was wrong where I was right and what meant nothing at all

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Assuming Stacker News is still online in the future.

Do you think the platform is economically viable in its current form?

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I don't know its expenses

People should come here not to earn but ready to pay if they wanna be heard

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I think there is a place for both paying consumers of content and providers earning sats for good content but currently there are not enough consumers or decent content providers.
It may be a matter of reaching a critical mass where there is enough of both.
Currently Stacker News does not appear to have reached a sustainable critical mass- and as you say is more sustained by those wanting to be heard- but is that sustainable?
It certainly is a unique and interesting experiment in P2P V4V social media and has achieved a lot.

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I remember the time people never heard about reddit, when I told them: I use twitter, - they thought I'm living in my own imaginary universe

The same may happen to stackerNews too. Today we're a unknown niche, tomorrow your neighbors discuss here how Bitcoin saved their relationship

Let's enjoy the moment

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Yes it is possible.
It will be interesting to see if SNs does ever reach critical mass.
Though hope it never becomes what reddit became!

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101 sats \ 0 replies \ @Lux 24 May

Ask a klanker

Q: Is one of the differences between nations and companies a dnb number?Q: Is one of the differences between nations and companies a dnb number?

Quick AnswerQuick Answer

Yes, a D-U-N-S Number (Data Universal Numbering System) is a tool specifically designed for identifying and tracking companies and business entities, which serves as a fundamental distinction between them and sovereign nations.

The differences can be summarized as follows:

  • Purpose of the D-U-N-S Number: This nine-digit code is a proprietary system maintained by Dun & Bradstreet (D&B) to provide a global standard for business identification. It is used by lenders, suppliers, and partners to assess a company's creditworthiness, verify its legitimacy, and track its financial history (such as payment performance).
  • Nature of Nations vs. Companies:
    • Companies are commercial entities that operate within legal and economic frameworks, often requiring identifiers like a D-U-N-S number to participate in global trade, secure contracts, or establish business credit.
    • Nations are sovereign states. They are not "businesses" in the commercial sense and do not have credit files or business identification codes issued by private credit reporting agencies like Dun & Bradstreet. Instead, nations are identified through international diplomatic frameworks, such as ISO country codes or United Nations membership, rather than commercial credit identifiers.

In short, while a D-U-N-S number is a standard identifier for the corporate world to facilitate commerce and risk assessment, it is not applicable to the sovereign status of nations.

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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @ek 24 May

TIL how to style my hair while swimming

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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 25 May -30 sats

https://m.stacker.news/142461

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 25 May -30 sats

https://m.stacker.news/142458

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 24 May -30 sats

https://m.stacker.news/142446